John Carter ((My Theory))

Father: John Carter
Mother: Mary Smith

Family 1: Mourning Bond
  1. Narcissa Carter
  2. Mary Carter
  3. Martha Ann (Patsy) Carter
  4. Charles Carter
                                                            _John Carter __
                                    _Robert "King" Carter _|_Sarah Ludlow _
                _Sec. John Carter _|
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               |                   |_Judith Armistead _____|_______________
 _John Carter _|
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|--John Carter 
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|_Mary Smith __|
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Notes

Albemarle County separated from Goochland in 1744. Fluvanna separated from Albemarle in 1777. Probably born 1730-1760. All later Carter males who are known to me of his line and who have smoked have died at about 55. If John smoked it seems likely that he was born around 1750. This would have made him 26 in 1776 at the start of his war, and 44 when he married Mourning. He died of dropsy. A physician told me that this is an old name for edema (heart failure). If he was born in 1741, then he would have been 35 in 1776, 41 in 1782, 53 in 1794, and 63 in 1804.

According to a family document he died unexpectedly while traveling away from home to sell tobacco on the road to Richmond, VA. This document says that he was born in Warren, VA. It also says that he owned a tobacco plantation, which is highly unlikely, in view of his absence from the tax records. He might have been the John Carter, overseer, in these records from the dates (1782-1803), location (near Fluvanna Co.), and probable connection (13 slaves) with the big Edward Carter estate. Is it possible that he ran away from his family and didn't die in 1804? In the Christ Church Carter Genealogy record it says that it is believed that the John Carter son of John Carter in Robert Carter's will might have died in Tennessee. Could our John have run away to Tennessee?

Fought in revolutionary war 1776-1781.

Mother found a land grant to John Carter in the Land Bounty Warrants (Wilson) page 9 #691 John Carter 100 acres Private state line 3 years May 30,1783 Captain Samuel Howe Charles Carter 100 acres June 9, 1783 (died). I found a roster for "Alexander Spottswood's 2D Virginia Regiment (as it was Jan to Jun 1777) which lists John , Obadiah, Landon, and William Carter in the 8th Company on 1Jun1777 commanded by Cpt. Samuel Hawes and Lts. Thomas Jones & James Upshur (see Saffell, "Records of Revolutionary War," Genealogy Pub. Co., Baltimore, 1969). I later found a bounty land warrant application from the dependents of a John, Charles, and William Carter who claimed that these men were all from Caroline County and that this John died 13Aug1832 in that county and couldn't be ours.

I found a pension application from a Judith Carter (signed with an X) for her husband Charles and a supporting bounty land certificate by Cpt. Tarlton Payne dated 16Feb1795 which states that this Charles Carter enlisted with Payne in the 1st Virginia regiment sometime in 1776 and died in line of duty on 1Feb1777. I don't know if this could be John's brother. The battle of Cowpens was on 17Jan1781 so this doesn't fit with the statement in the Dear Nell letter that Charles, brother of John, died at Cowpens.

I found a certificate for a land application from Lt. Col. Els. Edmonds certifying that a John and a William Carter served faithfully in Col. Marshall's regiment of artillery for three years signed 12Sep1780.

Mourning Bond and Charles Carter made an application for a widow's pension for John Carter's military service. She gives her age to be 87. She said that John was a private of cavalry for more than 2 years in the Virginia Continental line, but that she didn't know the officer or unit that he served with. She said that she was married to John in Fluvanna County on 13Nov1794 by George Anderson. She said that her husband died between 1803 and 1806, she kept no record of when. She said that she never remarried. Charles also gave testimony to the justice of the peace saying that he was aged 54 and that he is too young to have personal knowledge of his Father's service but that he can testify that he heard it from his mother, grandmother and grandfather all of his life. He said that he left Virginia about 42 years before the application (1815). He gives a certification from the auditor of public accounts of the state of Virginia that was evidently submitted with the pension application for proof of service. I later found the entire pension file on microfilm in the Virginia State Library which includes correspondence between Charles Carter and pension officials in Washington. They had received a bounty land grant certificate from Charles with his mothers application for pension as proof of service. He had evidently obtained this from the Virginia state auditor of public accounts office. I saw the original certificate of this is still in the Virginia State Library. Nothing ties this John Carter to Mourning Bond. The pension officials needed proof that this land was awarded to the same John Carter that fathered Charles. They then had at least three applications involving John Carters for service in the revolutionary war. The pension application was denied because Charles couldn't prove that this John was his father. In one letter Charles states that it is hard to prove that his father served because so much time had passed and because he was 1100 miles away from anyone that might have known of his father's service. He wrote a good intelligent letter in a readable hand.

Married 13Nov1794 in Fluvanna County VA by a Baptist Minister to Mourning Bond. The marriage bond was issued on 6Nov1794 and co-signed by Michael Attkinson, and witnessed by the County Clerk John Timberlake.

Fluvanna County was formed from Albemarle County in 1777. At that time it had the cheapest land of all the counties around. The county was totally rural until the township of Barnards was started there in 1785. It adjoins Albemarle County to the south east very near to Carter's Mountain. Mourning Bond lived in this county at the farm of her step father John Burgess on the Hardware River (at the point where VA Rt. 6 crosses it at "Temperance" Bridge). This river flows into Albemarle County just south of Carter's Mountain and is crossed by Carter's bridge. Carter's mill uses this river for power. Albemarle county was also mostly rural. Most of the inhabitants were small farmers growing vegetable crops. A few larger planters, like Edward Carter, attempted to grow Tobacco during the late 1700's but failed to make it work due to inappropriate soil.

Search of the Albemarle property tax records show at least six John Carters living in the county between 1782 and 1810. They are:

#1-Lived in Albemarle County (Parish unknown) and paid property taxes from 1783 until 1785 for 3 or 4 horses, a cow, & and a white male.

#2-Lived in Fredricksville Parish and paid property taxes from 1787 until 1800 on an occasional horse or cow and one white male. Might be the same at #1.

#3-Lived in St. Anne Parish and paid property tax in 1783 on 6 slaves and in 1784 on 13 slaves and 4 white males and was noted to be an overseer in the tax records. This could have been part of the Edward Carter empire.

#4-Lived in St. Anne's Parish and paid property taxes in 1798 on a cow and in 1800 on a white male.

#5-Lived in St. Anne's Parish in 1800 and in 1801 and paid taxes only on a co-worker, said to be son of Henry Carter.

#6-Lived in St. Anne's Parish from 1800 to 1806 and paid taxes there, said to be brother of Thomas Carter.

There were also several other Carters recorded. Some of the more interesting were:

#1-William Carter in Fredricksville Parish from 1783 until 1797 paying taxes on a few horses, many cows, and even some slaves toward the end. Pension records indicate that this Carter was b. 10/17/1758, d. 10/9/33, m. Martha 1/1783 and had five children all in Albemarle county.

#3-Henry Carter lived in Fredricksville Parish from 1783 until 1797 paying taxes on mostly cows. Pension records show that this Carter was : dd. 2/23/43, MD. Sarah White 12/13/85, and had 7 children (one John and one Elizabeth). during the period 1788 and 1804.

#4-Charles Carter living in St. Anne's Parish from 1790 until 1794 paying taxes on one cow.

Fredricksville Parish covered the Northern half of the County and St. Anne's Parish covered the Southern half of the county.

I had considered the possibility that John Carter received land in Albemarle County in about 1782, as a land bounty, after the Revolution, settled in for 12 years, and then married Mourning Bond, moving her to Albemarle County. Charles Carter said (in the Dear Cousin Nell letter) that his Father died in Albemarle County, and the DAR Fluvanna County cemetery book failed to list him. This supports, but doesn't prove that Mourning & John settled in Albemarle County. I might be able to find out from the county tax or will records, or from the DAR's cemetery books for Albemarle County. Librarians at the Virginia State Library told me that no bounty land within Virginia was awarded for Revolutionary War service. The land awarded was all in Tennessee and Kentucky. Thus John did not receive land in Albemarle County for war service. I have checked the Albemarle County land tax records for 1782-97 and no John Carter appears to have owned land then in the county. He must have either rented land or have lived with relatives on their land.

Died in late Nov or early Dec 1804 of Dropsy. My Aunt Elizabeth had heard from someone (possibly my Aunt Inez Carter Mabry) that John had died on "a business trip" away from home.

There is also a record of a John Carter, Mary, and son John, Baptized in Bruton Parish in 1743 in the Record 1740-1790 Bruton Parish Church. There is a record of Mary Carter marrying John Eyre in Albemarle County on 25Oct1785 witnessed by John Atkinson.

In the Albemarle County Deed Book there is an entry:

Robert Fields to John Carter 100 acres, book 6, p. 274 in 13Oct1773 in St. Anne's Parish on Meechum's River. John Carter to (his son) Henry Carter 100 acres, book 7, p. 355 on 4Sep1779, same land as above.

that should be checked (compare signatures with marriage bond). I looked this up and this John Carter was the father of Henry, was much older than our John, and had a different signature.

E. P. Sneed, Fluvanna County Sketchbook 1777-1963 (1963), see Fairfax Library VA room. Mrs. R. C. Omohundro, Tombstone Inscriptions of Fluvanna (Point of Fork Chapter of Fluvanna, DAR).

According to the 1790 census there was a John Carter living in the city of Williamsburg in 1790 with himself, four white people, and four blacks; a second John Carter with himself, five white people and five blacks; a William Carter with himself, five white people and 8 blacks; James Carter with himself, another while person and 6 blacks; a John H. Carter with himself, 9 white persons and five blacks; and numerous free blacks named Carter.

There was a William Carter in Fluvanna's 1790 census with six white people; John Burgess with himself, 8 whites and 1 black; William Burgess with himself, 7 whites and 1 black; and Julias Sanders with himself, two whites and one black; William Henley with himself 11 whites and 9 blacks; Elizabeth Chandler with herself 7 whites and one black; Julias Sanders Senior with himself 5 whites and 2 blacks; and George Sanders with himself 6 white people and one black.

In the 1790 census in Albemarle County there was William Carter (4whites), Bernard Carter (8whites), Patty Carter(8whites), John Carter(2whites, one building), William Carter(4whites), Riehard Carter(5whites), Elizabeth Carter(1white), and Edward Carter esq(14whites, 34buildings).

32. 40-18908:Seaver, Jesse Montgomery. Carter family records, . Philadelphia, American historical-genealogical society, [1929]. 54 p, front. (incl. 3 port) coat of arms, 29 cm. LC CALL NUMBER: CS71.C323 1929

I have met a genuine Albemarle Carter who grew up at his father's home "Redlands". His father recently died. He is an opthomoligist in Winchester but lives at:

John B. (Jack) Carter, MD P. O. Box 323 Millwood, VA 22646 (540)837-1432

and he has refered me to his uncle, who does Carter genealogy, and lives at:

Burr Noland Carter, MD 11 Huntly Road Richmond, VA (804)AT8-5617

I wrote to him and he answered that he doesn't believe that I am related to his ancesters.


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